But the long and short of it is that there is not correlation between the number of firearms per 100 people and the homicide rate:
Here is an interesting graph that indicates gun control did absolutely nothing to curb violent crime in Great Britain... that must be why they are going after knives now.
At the end of the day, people can get violent and people will kill. Whether they do that with a gun, a knife, a car, a gasoline bomb, or what have you, they will kill. At least if law abiding people are allowed to carry and use guns for defense, then they can protect themselves when people go off their rocker.
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Wockerguy, congratulations,, you just won Dumbest post of 2015.
Theres a Major difference between being shot with your own weapon, and dying in an accident. Its a Little thing called Irony.
You see, A weapon, Such as a handgun has but one purpose. to Kill the thing you are pointing it at. To be Killed by your own weapon is the Ultimate fail, and Yes, Its f_ _ _ _ _ g Hilarious.
You have a wicked sense of humour
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Yetti asked a Simple Question... Yews would have sufficed.
So you think any citizen should be allowed to carry a gun ? You think they should need a test ? you think they should be ok'd by a psychologist ? age limits ? and so on and so on
Point being. there are far too many rules you'd need to implement, and once you think you've thought of enough scenarios to make Guns properly regulated, thats when you find all the nutjobs your screening system didnt get, and so on forever.
we are talking handguns here. not rifles and shotguns. remember that.
Keep concealed weapons to police and whatever other agencies or jobs allow it.
and it doesnt matter how well trained you are in gun safety, btw. all it takes is one idiot that catches you not paying attention, and they have your gun. and maybe they didnt take that safety course.
Yetti asked a Simple Question... Yews would have sufficed.
So you think any citizen should be allowed to carry a gun ? You think they should need a test ? you think they should be ok'd by a psychologist ? age limits ? and so on and so on
Point being. there are far too many rules you'd need to implement, and once you think you've thought of enough scenarios to make Guns properly regulated, thats when you find all the nutjobs your screening system didnt get, and so on forever.
we are talking handguns here. not rifles and shotguns. remember that.
Keep concealed weapons to police and whatever other agencies or jobs allow it.
and it doesnt matter how well trained you are in gun safety, btw. all it takes is one idiot that catches you not paying attention, and they have your gun. and maybe they didnt take that safety course.
It seems that the criminals and nutjobs don't have any problem getting firearms. The shootings last night in the clubs, do you think that was with a registered firearm? If so how did they get an authorication to transport to a club when its strictly for home > range /store/gunsmith?
See yetti criminals dont have an issue getting a firearm, yet you're not concerned about that but instead want to make law abiding citizens to be the bad guy. It is a flawed logic and once you get past it, it all starts to make sense
your Gun control chart works against your theory..
It shows a Rise in violent crime, ( which is non specific ) it also shows that Gun Ownership also lowered as well.
But what you havent realized is that great Britain is at an all time Homicide low.
their gun related Homocide rates have dropped dramatically. yes, criminals will be criminals..but i dont have to worry about anyone getting hit by a stray baseball bat...lol
your Gun control chart works against your theory..
It shows a Rise in violent crime, ( which is non specific ) it also shows that Gun Ownership also lowered as well.
But what you havent realized is that great Britain is at an all time Homicide low.
their gun related Homocide rates have dropped dramatically. yes, criminals will be criminals..but i dont have to worry about anyone getting hit by a stray baseball bat...lol
ya as long as you don't go to a block party, the eaton center, caribana, house party, it appears anywhere downtown clubbing, shopping downtown (jane creba).... do i need to go on?
Lets put this another way yetti, you need cash for bacon and you're gonna break into someone's house. House A has a guy in it with a shit load of firearms who can hit you in your hairy ass from a km away, house b has an old lady who's almost blind and doesn't have any firearms.
Which house are you gonna rob?
Last Edit: Jan 1, 2015 23:19:25 GMT -5 by SpeedFreak
Yetti asked a Simple Question... Yews would have sufficed.
So you think any citizen should be allowed to carry a gun ? You think they should need a test ? you think they should be ok'd by a psychologist ? age limits ? and so on and so on
Point being. there are far too many rules you'd need to implement, and once you think you've thought of enough scenarios to make Guns properly regulated, thats when you find all the nutjobs your screening system didnt get, and so on forever.
we are talking handguns here. not rifles and shotguns. remember that.
Keep concealed weapons to police and whatever other agencies or jobs allow it.
and it doesnt matter how well trained you are in gun safety, btw. all it takes is one idiot that catches you not paying attention, and they have your gun. and maybe they didnt take that safety course.
It seems that the criminals and nutjobs don't have any problem getting firearms. The shootings last night in the clubs, do you think that was with a registered firearm? If so how did they get an authorication to transport to a club when its strictly for home > range /store/gunsmith?
See yetti criminals dont have an issue getting a firearm, yet you're not concerned about that but instead want to make law abiding citizens to be the bad guy. It is a flawed logic and once you get past it, it all starts to make sense
NO, and Yetti is glad you brought this up.
Criminals will be criminals.. But where do you think some of these guns come from ? M ost are stolen from Legal gun owners.
any gun crime gets 10 years. automatic.
believe me, you wont be seeing idiot kids carrying guns around too much after seeing that happen for a few years.
this is no different than how we all reacted about the turbans wanting to carry their daggers around. what happens if someone gets your gun.
Most of the guns are stolen from legal gun owners? Where do you get these statistics from? I'd love to see a source....
And in canada the penalty for stealing a firearm is life in prison, when was the last time you heard of anyone get life for stealing a firearm? The laws are there, but the judges let these people out on bail with a bracelet on their foot and then they end up shooting up the mall.
Lets put this another way yetti, you need cash for bacon and you're gonna break into someone's house. House A has a guy in it with a shit load of firearms who can hit you in your hairy ass from a km away, house b has an old lady who's almost blind and doesn't have any firearms.
Which house are you gonna rob?
Silly question. you cant tell whats in a house till your in it.
what happens when person in House A leaves and gets robbed ? lol
more street guns.
but lets talk about the need for walking around armed.. thats what this was about..
Yetti has mentioned Before.. guns are great.. but we dont need to have people wandering around with them.
Post by Chuck U. Farlie on Jan 1, 2015 23:26:38 GMT -5
So you think that someone who has a gun, intending to kill someone (last I heard, first degree murder is 25 years), is going to consider a 10 year jail term a deterrent?
Your logic seems to be that 1) if someone is carrying a gun, they must have intent to kill as that is a gun's purpose. However, 2) despite wanting to kill, a 10 year prison sentence will somehow convince them to not bother with a gun.
Good job Yetti... approaching Basic level logic here.
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Lets put this another way yetti, you need cash for bacon and you're gonna break into someone's house. House A has a guy in it with a shit load of firearms who can hit you in your hairy ass from a km away, house b has an old lady who's almost blind and doesn't have any firearms.
Which house are you gonna rob?
Silly question. you cant tell whats in a house till your in it.
what happens when person in House A leaves and gets robbed ? lol
more street guns.
but lets talk about the need for walking around armed.. thats what this was about..
Yetti has mentioned Before.. guns are great.. but we dont need to have people wandering around with them.
Lets sat the person in house A is a cop and has the gun with him 24/7. Which one you gonna rob? You wont answer the question because we all know the answer and it would make your argument go out the window
We don't need to have people wandering around with them? Sure, the day you figure out how to disarm all the criminals im with you, but until then i'd like to atleast have a chance instead of hiding under a table like the people did at the eaton center
Most of the guns are stolen from legal gun owners? Where do you get these statistics from? I'd love to see a source....
And in canada the penalty for stealing a firearm is life in prison, when was the last time you heard of anyone get life for stealing a firearm? The laws are there, but the judges let these people out on bail with a bracelet on their foot and then they end up shooting up the mall.
well, Yetti gonna go out on a limb and suggest that since most of the handguns that criminals use are unregistered, or sn filed off that they have been stolen ?
ask a criminal where he got his gun from . He might still have the receipt. might still be under warranty.lol
it really doesnt matter does it ? do we need to have people armed ?
So you think that someone who has a gun, intending to kill someone (last I heard, first degree murder is 25 years), is going to consider a 10 year jail term a deterrent?
Your logic seems to be that 1) if someone is carrying a gun, they must have intent to kill as that is a gun's purpose. However, 2) despite wanting to kill, a 10 year prison sentence will somehow convince them to not bother with a gun.
Good job Yetti... approaching Basic level logic here.
yet you want to have a gun to protect yourself from the guy with a gun.
is this like Chicken and Egg ?
if theres no handguns, you wont need it.. get a fucking rifle and shut up.lol
Yetti you're pulling statistics out of your ass, and then when something doesn't go your way you say it doesn't matter...
"The vast majority of violent crime in Canada is not committed with a firearm. According to 2006 data reported by police to the UCR Survey, most violent crime (75%) was committed by physical force or threats, without the use of any weapon. Weapons were used against 18% of victims of violent crimes, with knives (6.2%) and clubs or blunt instruments (3.0%) being the most common. A firearm was used against 2.4% of all victims (Table 1)."
So you think that someone who has a gun, intending to kill someone (last I heard, first degree murder is 25 years), is going to consider a 10 year jail term a deterrent?
Your logic seems to be that 1) if someone is carrying a gun, they must have intent to kill as that is a gun's purpose. However, 2) despite wanting to kill, a 10 year prison sentence will somehow convince them to not bother with a gun.
Good job Yetti... approaching Basic level logic here.
yet you want to have a gun to protect yourself from the guy with a gun.
is this like Chicken and Egg ?
if theres no handguns, you wont need it.. get a f_ _ _ _ _ g rifle and shut up.lol
Can you explain to me how you're going to prevent criminals from having firearms? I'd love to hear this...
Yetti doesnt give a shit about all those. Yetti has no problem with guns. only a problem with conceal and carry. said that since it started.
theres no valid reason to need to be walking around with a gun. should people be allowed to carry rifles next ? shotguns ?
Yetti wouldnt like to think the guy standing 3 people back in line might have a glock. Yetti wouldnt want some power tripping idiot with a Desert Eagle walking around drunk.