It can happen both ways. I know someone that lost $70k on their house cause they sold at the wrong time. Had they waited a year(in hindsight) it would have been a profit. Good thing the house they bought was also at a low and now worth more than the loss.
My first house would have been a great profit.
Exactly, everyones an expert after the fact.
ZX600 made money, props to him but you're still in the game. Now imagine his new house dropped by 30% and he had to sell...
Another thing i've noticed when having this debate with home owners is that they like to overlook a lot of other costs associated with home ownership, such as maintenance, property taxes, commission to sell, lost potential on the money they have tied up in the house. They also like to overlook the fact that their money is tied up in that house and it could take substantial time to sell it. Your real estate agent might have you convinced that the house is worth x amount but that doesn't guarantee anyone will actually buy it from you. When things go wrong you can't just hit "sell" online and be done with it, your problems in this scenario are only beginning.
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It can happen both ways. I know someone that lost $70k on their house cause they sold at the wrong time. Had they waited a year(in hindsight) it would have been a profit. Good thing the house they bought was also at a low and now worth more than the loss.
My first house would have been a great profit.
Exactly, everyones an expert after the fact.
ZX600 made money, props to him but you're still in the game. Now imagine his new house dropped by 30% and he had to sell...
Another thing i've noticed when having this debate with home owners is that they like to overlook a lot of other costs associated with home ownership, such as maintenance, property taxes, commission to sell, lost potential on the money they have tied up in the house. They also like to overlook the fact that their money is tied up in that house and it could take substantial time to sell it. Your real estate agent might have you convinced that the house is worth x amount but that doesn't guarantee anyone will actually buy it from you. When things go wrong you can't just hit "sell" online and be done with it, your problems in this scenario are only beginning.
You're silly. There's only the price you buy and sell for. There are no other costs. HGTV says so.
"There's never enough time to do it right, but there's always enough time to do it twice."
Post by Chuck U. Farlie on Jan 18, 2015 16:46:50 GMT -5
I would care if the housing market took a big dump, but I didn't buy a house for an investment (even if it works out that way), I bought a house for a place to live that is mine... no more dealing with crappy landlords.
I bought a small semi-detached, or I guess they call it a link-detached because only the garage shares a wall with the neighbour, a few years back for $350k. I am a few minutes from Square One and only 5km from work.
Yes there are maintenance costs, yes I sunk a bunch of money finishing the basement, new furnace, I will need a new roof in the future, I will have to rebuild the deck and fence, etc, but I love having my own garage, my own workshop in my basement, my own gunroom, my own driveway, etc etc, so for me those minor costs are worth it.
My mortgage, for the time being, is very cheap. They only require me to pay $900/month at prime minus 0.09% but I throw in about $1400 a month anyway. I'm down to about $220k left to pay off on the mortgage and could pay it off faster but I also want my toys and want to build up my RRSPs and TFSAs. In the meantime the value of this house has risen to roughly $450k or so (although I won't know until I sell, and I am not selling soon).
The only thing I would like to change is that I would prefer to live outside of town on a few acres and have a large workshop. I don't want to commute to work though, so I think I will save that dream for when I am closer to retirement.
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Post by Riceburner on Jan 18, 2015 17:07:19 GMT -5
All in all home ownership is still the better investment in the long run. What you put in will come back, plus you use it in the meantime. If you own for long enough, even having to sell will still put you up. From my personal experience at least.
It can happen both ways. I know someone that lost $70k on their house cause they sold at the wrong time. Had they waited a year(in hindsight) it would have been a profit. Good thing the house they bought was also at a low and now worth more than the loss.
My first house would have been a great profit.
So in the long run, they end up with a profit on their original investment taking into acount the loss and gains over hte two houses..it seems.
Renting = loss
Not putting down renting as I did for most of my life, just stating a fact
made some decent money at the end after paying commissions, taxes, lawyer fees and etc. if i had been renting I would have -$$ in the bank.
Trust me, home owners know very well they have to pay these extras and when you plan to sell and buy, the first thing done is accounting for these charges as part of the budget.
I had a number in mind as the lowest i would go to sellt he house, the reason for that minimun price is becasue I know i had to pay 4% to the realtor, about 2k to the lawyer, becasue we were going to pickering we had to pay only one tax and not both, we took into account the cost to move (moves, storage, miscellaneous expenses).
Every home owner that sells knows these costs becasue they had to pay them when they bought.
Post by Riceburner on Jan 19, 2015 11:56:50 GMT -5
If home ownership cost you the same as renting per year, you end up with a profit of the increased value of the house. Win. Plus you don't have to put up with landlords, etc. and make your own decisions. If you can afford to buy a home, I don't see a downside. Unless you need to make a quick exit.
If home ownership cost you the same as renting per year, you end up with a profit of the increased value of the house. Win. Plus you don't have to put up with landlords, etc. and make your own decisions. If you can afford to buy a home, I don't see a downside. Unless you need to make a quick exit.
Ya if it costs the same, which in toronto it doesn't even come close right now.
If home ownership cost you the same as renting per year, you end up with a profit of the increased value of the house. Win. Plus you don't have to put up with landlords, etc. and make your own decisions. If you can afford to buy a home, I don't see a downside. Unless you need to make a quick exit.
Ya if it costs the same, which in toronto it doesn't even come close right now.
Downside? Look south 2008/2009
Aples and Oranges, different lending laws, different protections, banks are not allow to bundle high risk loans and sell them, etc.
well that is two promises broken, not increasing subway fees and not increasing property tax more than the current inflation rate which I believe is was under 2% (correct me if I am wrong)
But hey, he got cops to give tickets in downtown toronto
well that is two promises broken, not increasing subway fees and not increasing property tax more than the current inflation rate which I believe is was under 2% (correct me if I am wrong)
But hey, he got cops to give tickets in downtown toronto
These increases need to happen. Far too long the infrastructure has suffered while toronto had the lowest property taxes in the province.
Nothing surprising here.
"There's never enough time to do it right, but there's always enough time to do it twice."
well that is two promises broken, not increasing subway fees and not increasing property tax more than the current inflation rate which I believe is was under 2% (correct me if I am wrong)
But hey, he got cops to give tickets in downtown toronto
These increases need to happen. Far too long the infrastructure has suffered while toronto had the lowest property taxes in the province.
Nothing surprising here.
Might be, but so much bullshit about Ford being dishonest and yet all politicians are.